(Maybe this example doesn't quite fit WP:NPOV, but the word impressive probably isn't appropriate.) Shotgun - are impressive, but anything beyond medium range is negligible.Machinegun - this is the first 'real' gun the player comes across.(Dangit, not sure how to make it appear as text rather than footnote number.) Anyway, here's some examples. (Remember how I referenced those other guidelines.) But hey, even WP:NPOV applies more than once. Xihr 04:22, 4 September 2007 (UTC) Yup, I know, and I didn't use WP:NPOV to delete the whole section. Ong elvin 04:18, 4 September 2007 (UTC) Sure, but that's a valid WP:NPOV reason to rephrase that one sentence, not to delete the whole section. Describing upgrades is in the scope of a game guide, not an encyclopaedic article. Such as: Nailgun - Fires highly damaging rounds, like a more powerful machine gun. It says "this gun does not come into its own until later in the game" which certainly breaks NPOV, wouldn't you agree? Anyway, if there's a weapons section, it should just be a list with a single short sentence describing it. How does describing the weapons present in the game in a factual, dispassionate way come anywhere near espousing a non-neutral point of view? Xihr 04:13, 4 September 2007 (UTC) I was thinking mainly of the Nailgun's description, so citing WP:NPOV was indeed not really relevant. (Describing how to use them and/or how to defeat certain enemies or bosses certainly would.) However, I think you've gone off the rails with the WP:NPOV argument. Ong elvin 04:03, 4 September 2007 (UTC) Your WP:NOT arguments are reasonable, though I think it's borderline whether describing the weapons that exist in the game constitutes game guide material. This example would also break WP:NPOV, which is also what the weapons description did and neutrality is extremely important to any serious encyclopaedia. For example, if you go to an encyclopaedia on George Bush, you should not expect a section explaining why he's a dumbf***, even if 100% of the world agrees on it. Ong elvin 04:00, 4 September 2007 (UTC) I should also add that just because something is true does not mean that it is automatic grounds for inclusion in an article. That information on weapons should be in a Gaming Wiki, not the main Wiki. Wikipedia, in its goal as an encyclopaedia, avoids information that is more relevant to a guide, because it isn't supposed to be one. WP:NOT#INFO, WP:NOT#GUIDE, and WP:CVG/GL#Scope_of_information should pretty much sum it up. My reason has not changed, although this time you'll know why. That was me who deleted the Weapons section a while ago. I also think that the weapons section should be retrieved, and possibly a Trivia section. Is there a reason for this or does it need to be reverted? Vandalism or? Also, the article was a lot more thorough, it seems to have been thinned out. What happened to the weapons section? It's been deleted without apparent reason. 15 Linux version and Mac/Windows/Xbox data files.7 Matthew Kane not the first named protaganist of Quake.Other : *Current discussions (XFD's, mergers, etc.):.Be sure to add the articles to any appropriate task forces. articles and remove the " |auto=yes" parameter. Verify : Double check the classification of articles in Category:Automatically assessed Apple Inc.Stubs : Macintosh stubs, Macintosh software stubs, More.articles needing photograph, Category:Apple Inc. Orphans : Orphaned articles in Apple_Inc.Expand : Xserve, OS X Server, iMac, Force Touch.Copyedit : Wikipedia articles needing copy edit in Apple_Inc.Cleanup : iOS ( iPhone OS 1, iPhone OS 2, iPhone OS 3, iOS 4, iOS 5), iTunes ( iTunes Store, App Store (iOS) ( iOS SDK), iBookstore), iChat, iPhoto, iMovie, GarageBand, iLife, iWork, Pages, Keynote (presentation software).Citing sources : Apple Inc., Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniak, Apple II series.Assess all C and B class articles against the B-Class checklist. articles and Category:Unknown-importance Apple Inc. Assess : Update the classification of articles in Category:Unassessed Apple Inc.
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